And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. Their demands should simply be refused. Whether they are too stupid to think of that remains to be seen. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . And I dont think this is what reparations campaigners are calling for either, as I understand it their argument includes systematic legacy issues not just the period of slavery itself, so the harm relates more directly to them not just their ancestors. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". Fought to STOP southern independence. Prof David Olusoga has presented numerous documentaries including A House Through Time and Black and Black and British: A Forgotten History, Olaudah Equiano played a role in Britain's abolishment of slavery, Performer Giles Terera has written a play featuring Equiano, Prof Olusoga said when it was published, people did not believe the book was by an African as it was deemed so well written, Bernardine Evaristo (second left) has launched a series called Black Britain: Writing Back which features novels by black British authors that have been overlooked, Should black history be taught all year round? Hes welcome to pursue his line of thought but he should bear in mind that tolerance is, by its nature, in the gift of the powerful. We aint paying no goddam reparations & no-ones gonna make us. But any planter who deliberately starved his slaves to death would quickly go bust. Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me).. The agreement is being touted as a . Well whats the point of pretending it doesnt also induce moral disgust in me, just in case someone mistakes it for guilt, or an admission of liability? Full text must be online somewhere but theres an extract at https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings. To be honest, I was a bit sceptical about the Olympics coming to London, but the atmosphere across the capital was genuinely wonderful . Even Bill Clinton had affinity for the USA. That was a bad experience but he should know that you cannot judge a whole country by what happened when he was young. BurningEars August 30, 2020 at 3:07 pm Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister. Surely the US has already spent much more than that on black Americans. His exposure to Nigerian culture seems quite limited. My first reaction, years and years ago, was thats awful. I learned the hard way. Olusoga, who is half-Nigerian, traces this focus to his mother telling him when he was a child that Nigerian soldiers served in World War II. The German survivors of Stalingrad were sent to camps and most of them worked to death. Dont know if I would rule it out entirely because the demographics are different but it might need a change in the voting dynamics. I doubt that they are now firmly united in a common cause. Although I would expect the Germans, and perhaps even the Japanese, to be happy they lost the war. Whitey bad, give me cash? All in all your typical West African is far more likely to have ancestral connections to the slave trade than your typical Brit. We do not know how great the demand for women was. However, it applies to at least 80% of Americans. Im not even saying thats a convincing argument, it has some very serious weak points, just that I reckon its a stronger one than a general appeal about current inequality. Read about our approach to external linking. More than a million copies were sold in Britain cheap pirated versions reached a mass readership. It seems absurd to me that anyone should be concerned about what happened 200 or 500 years ago. Have you ever read the account by Ibn Fadlan of a Viking funeral in Russia? And this of course neatly addresses MBEs arguments. Olusogas stated purpose is to argue that black British history is not about migration and settlement, whether of black servants in the 18th century or black workers in the Windrush era. At the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, Britain was granted the right to supply slaves to the Spanish colonies in the Americas, a right then passed on to the South Sea Company. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too.. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. Societies have what morals suit them. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided. Inflaming the reader has no purpose relative to slavery. It isnt going to happen anyway. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation? 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Such sources give his writing freshness, originality and compassion. So there were times when food was expensive, we can call those shortages or famines. I was uncomfortable using it. Thousands of petitions were presented to parliament. The argument isnt whether historical slavery was right or wrong or who should accept responsibility for it. In 1787, they met in London and set up the Society for Effecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade. It built slave forts on the African coast, some such as Bunce Island in Sierra Leone furnished with a rape house. if he wants to be an historian he should present a fair and realistic picture of what happened, Your email address will not be published. Young people - such as Lavinya Stennett who founded the Black Curriculum campaign group - have been calling for change. "The phenomena of which he is iconic is one that we have written out, edited out of our nation. In dealing with the black contribution to the First World War, for example, he cites popular gratitude and admiration for black Britons among them Walter Tull, who fought on the Western Front. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. The Sokoto Caliphate probably had as many slaves and a lot fewer free men as the Old South. The reason why Equiano is not a national name is because slavery is not a part of the history that we teach when it should be because I don't think you can understand the 18th century in particular but also the 19th century without reference to slavery.". "So when black history was missing - the history of empire, the history of slavery - was missing from my history lessons, I didn't have a place to go to discover those missing chapters. Definitely didnt die out with the Romans. In 1796, a bill was defeated by only four votes: a group of abolitionist MPs went to the opera and missed the vote. Probably few other societies had as much chance of buying freedom. If you had spare cash or could borrow, investment in slavery was a sure winner, never mind slave rebellions or hurricanes that destroyed cane fields. Thankfully the Woke have gifted us an all purpos3e response to this sort of crap. (I suppose it makes a point about blame not being distributed homogeneously, or that a certain group of people shouldnt be guilted just because they share the same colour of skin with another bunch of people you do think are guilty. They also ran a slave trade to the Ottoman empire and white slavery in the north without any help from Europeans. In the system that made Sloane wealthy, black women sought out herbs, plant species that he carefully identified and categorised, and used them to induce abortions, determined as many were not to bring into the world children who would be born items of property and destined to live short, brutalised lives. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". The answer is money. We do not know enough to be sure. You dont have esoteric discussions with paedophiles any more than you would with serial killers. Ironically, one of the sources we can turn to in order to learn more is his own accounts of late 17th-century Jamaica. Shouldnt Olusoga be writing in Ubangi bantu-language? 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Pretty sure if you could, implausibly, trace my family tree through various not-very-literate eras youd pass through at least one Anglo-Saxon who owned a bunch of Britons. I am of Ulster Scot heritage, who were originally John Knoxs Cumberland Presbyterians, VERY MUCH against slavery. Check out the trailer for Peter Pan & Wendy, an upcoming live-action movie directed by David Lowery. He updates Fryer, citing radioisotope analysis of skeletons and craniometrics, which support written documentation of Aurelian Moors guarding Hadrians Wall and settling in places such as Yorkshire. I have that estimate saved and ready to be critiqued as part of a larger project. Peter completed his award-winning PhD, exploring stress and coping in elite sports coaching, at Sheffield Hallam in 2012. Note, hes a renowned economist. Eventually, 11,000 separate British slave-trading expeditions resulted in the trafficking of three-and-a-half-million Africans to the New World plantations, the greatest forced migration in modern history until the 20th century. And so many hundreds of thousands of British workers were directly dependent on slavery (from sailors to those who built, rigged and repaired ships) that it was easy to turn a blind eye to the inhumanity. So my advice would be, for his own health, STFU. Olusoga is making an appeal to white guilt. Well the universe has a law of gravity but it doesnt have a law of should there be reparations. The people in Portland, Seattle and Kenosha are too decadent to fight back. You might have heard of a Romano-British chap called Patrick, got enslaved and nabbed to Ireland? Britain's role in the transatlantic slave trade is part of the national curriculum, although it is not statutory. A weekly round-up of some of the best articles featured in the most recent issue of the New Statesman, sent each Saturday. So 10.416 were sold by the Africans every month for one hundred years, There will be no peace on this issue until black people acknowledge their own responsibility for the trade. He was born in Nigeria but arrived in the . The Russians do not have these problems because they are not ashamed. arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers.. If Olusoga is looking for apologies or compensation for slavery, I am quite prepared to meet him, accept his apology, togehr with cash, cheque or even a postal order. Like I said before, tolerance is in the gift of the powerful. Sure. The vast majority of Americans are not guilty. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. Different people can argue the toss from different viewpoints and perspectives but in many ways their arguments pass each other like ships in the night, because they havent all got nobodys got an absolute frame of reference to judge things with respect to. P rofessor David Olusoga is reviewing a disorientating year from a familiar place: his white-painted study, the one with the guitars hanging from its walls. How would Nigeria treat a foreigner like him? Anyway, I digress, we did have at some point, a gang of pedos turn up and put their case, reasonably, and were tolerated and conversed with. Olusoga is just getting even because he was attacked by the right when he was a teenager. Theres an argument about judging people by the standard of their times, though even in the 1500s moral and religious objections to the slave trade had been made and the rationale of crimes against humanity is that some things are so abhorrent they could never truly be legal no matter what moral code the perpetrators justified themselves with. Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics from the New Statesman's politics team. West Indians fought with the Allies more than a hundred were decorated. One of his teachers had a coffee mug bearing a National Front slogan and another attacked him during a school trip, he said. We do not know for sure. But werent they lucky compared to the other Germans in Stalingrad? Forbes magazine's extraordinarily arrogant contributor Tim Worstall Jeremy Corbyn. It could not have happened at all unless African traders and kings had offered slaves to the Europeans. I think a case could be made. It was an apt university to experiment with such developments, since Lord Scarman, who reported on the Brixton riots of 1981, was its chancellor. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. "This generation has the greatest knowledge-giving tool ever created and they have access to knowledge that I just did not have when I was younger. And any reparations should be paid 50% by the African states for the areas which sold the slaves and pocketed the proceeds. 5 quotes from David Olusoga: 'On a peninsula protruding into one of the great highways of the Atlantic slave trade, a few hundred refugees from British slavery in North America were attempting to recreate the social structures of Northern Europe in the Middle Ages.', 'Time and again events and phenomena that we think we know and understand contain within them lost or camouflaged connections to . As Black British History Month draws to a close, TV historian Prof David Olusoga looks at the impact it's had - and how young people are taking it on. There is the Push argument and the Pull argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr_Gide, Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me). In 1860, cotton goods accounted for 40 per cent of all British exports. Pope Nicholas V gave his blessing, so long as the Vatican benefited. Was never entirely sure which bits were believed and which bits were just a fun bit of intellectual muscle-flexing couldnt all have been intended seriously since so many posts contradicted each other. Writing in english is cultural appropriation so STFU. Shipwrecked off the coast of Africa, he, and other survivors, were taken by an African tribe as captives. History is just one awful thing after another. Reckon they found commenters guessing which parts of a hypothetical argument were meant all part of the fun, In many respects youre one of the posters here whose views on morality Im closest to our personal moralities probably being quite far apart, but I recognise mine as very much the product of my upbringing and surrounding society and know enough about other places and times to realise just how contingent that makes them. The race obsessed Department of Education goes to considerable lengths to distinguish Caribbeans and West Africans. Then the second. If their ancestors had remained in Africa would they be better off than they are now? Fired by religious feeling, they embarked on a campaign of public education and political lobbying unprecedented in scale and revolutionary in nature. If one disproves his assertions would slavery then be okay? 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Olusoga, who presents the BBC documentary series A House Through Time, told presenter Lauren Laverne that racism was "just the background hum of life" when he was growing up. Hey, we do not even have to go that far. But morals are very transient things. Both groups today, especially the former, could reasonably claim historic persecution has reduced their present income and wealth. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . The Celtic version of slavery (which ran to quite a different model) was still going on in the places the Romans didnt reach. "They look to history not just for inspiration and comfort, not just for heroes and for glorious chapters; they look for history expecting to find challenging stories, painful stories, dark truths, villains as well as heroes. So is Richard Murphy. . This year, return to Neverland. Yet theyre so many centuries and generations removed from the crime, everybody involved with the decision-making is long-dead and while the responsible state still exists, in practice compensation comes from taxes paid by citizens who had no part in it all. Needless to say, the national mood changed. Nevertheless, we live in a society that generally regards slavery as an absolute and eternal wrong, and a grave one at that, yet which has historically (at least certain people and places, and including the state itself) benefited from imposing slavery on others.. John Mandeville, whose travelogue (circa 1356) was one of the most widely translated books of the later Middle Ages, presented Africans as naked savages living amid heaps of gold to which they gave no value. Olusoga patterns his narrative after Fryers, starting with the North African presence in Roman Britain. The government has said the "flexibility within the history curriculum means that there is the opportunity for teachers to teach about BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic) history across a spectrum of themes and eras" so it did "not believe it was necessary to change the curriculum". Theres no point pretending Europeans who profited from either the transatlantic slave trade or the use of slave labour in the Americas were somehow doing a favour to the slaves involved, even if, as it happens but their owners could not have predicted, their surviving descendants ended up financially better off on average than the counterfactual of remaining in Africa. Or anything to do with slavery. In 1986 I came across the book Staying Power by the British journalist Peter Fryer. And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. If slavery really mattered theyd be campaigning for reparations from the blacks and arabs/moslems who were doing it long before the white man arrived in Africa and was far more devastating. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided, so I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either. Might, in this case, being 100% of the debating point. There is no reason to think one system was more or less brutal than the other. One of the reasons why the American and Caribbean experiences were very different. Nevertheless, we live in a society that generally regards slavery as an absolute and eternal wrong, and a grave one at that, yet which has historically (at least certain people and places, and including the state itself) benefited from imposing slavery on others. It can be withdrawn. I havent said anything about my personal sense of guilt or responsibility. For some peculiar reason possibly because theres a section of Western society has become very insecure about its own position its being some credence. Yet American slave-produced raw cotton continued to feed the 4,500 mills of Lancashire. 7 years was the average working lifespan so it is said. Thats before you get on to the Khoisan and the Zulus, the Carthaginians and Romans, the Vikings versus pretty much anyone else who lived within raiding distance, Theres a fundamental weakness with all theories of universal law or justice, which is that across time and space, the human conception of what is right and just seems to be extremely varied and rarely (to modern Western eyes) pleasant. What difference has it made? The book accompanying. Its entirely possible to think something was awful without feeling the slightest twinge of guilt or personal responsibility. That is not true. Re putting the argument for paedophilia they actually gave Gide the Nobel prize for literature didnt they? Fair point. Anybody can do this. Heroes of 2020 What Marcus Rashford's campaign for hungry children tells us about . Very little sugar on the mainland. People seem pretty much agreed on what is right and what is wrong. Used to be on a long-dead and much missed forum where the topics of debate ranged far wider than they do here (as did the viewpoints I think it would be useful if us right-wing brexity mob didnt chase off the sensible non-right-wing non-brexity types so much). Theres no point pretending Europeans who profited from either the transatlantic slave trade or the use of slave labour in the Americas were somehow doing a favour to the slaves involved. They have a game plan & youre falling for it. He writes to inflame white guilt, so that you will ACCEPT destruction of your culture. * the legal institution and pretty much the practice One person who had a huge impact on Britain was Olaudah Equiano, an enslaved man who bought his freedom and wrote compellingly about his experiences. How does importing new labour from West Africa solve the food shortage in the West Indies? By this logic, we ought to sue the African American community. "They were barely known even to historians. That star stuff wont last. The arguments do you want to get shaken down for several trillion?. If more African-Americans started to vote Republican and the Democrats felt they needed something radical to boost their offer, and had enough support from liberal whites and other groups to risk further losses among blue-collar whites, for example. By a Senegalese author: The veiled genocide = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxc5ENT8ajg, MyBurningEars August 30, 2020 at 11:52 am Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. I had a girlfriend whose mother was a Nazi. I cant see the point of denying it was all pretty awful. In the late 1800's and early 1900's, 30,000 Jewish migrants from Russia and Eastern Europe settled in Manchester. Its a replay of the ecology nutters & the trannies. So how much have considered paedophilia? What has he got to say about that? The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. The South Sea bubble, the greatest financial crash of the 18th century, was intimately connected to Britains dealings with Africa, though this is rarely acknowledged by historians. They arent going to concede anything. (Britain expended blood and treasure on ending the slave trade, and thereby paid its moral debt already is one way of trying to resolve it, but rather unsatisfactory at righting the wrongs done to those who had already fallen victim to the trade.) Id agree that attitudes in the UK are approaching that situation, but theres still a long, long way to go yet. They did not pay for them and were going to kill a lot of them anyway. 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